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[IAC#RG] Arrest widespread of Pious Forgeries by reviving Vedas Truthfully- Relevance of Vedas to the Present Age
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"Prodipto Roy" (via indiaresists Mailing List)
2018-09-03 02:10:34 UTC
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Sablok ji: Whenever you quote any Vedic book, kindly give the reference
to the exact mandal, verse and line of the text. For example, you wrote
that Atharva Veda gave the exact time when humans were given souls. I am
interested in this from a comparative perspective and need to know in which
chapter, verse and line this occurs. Then we can check online versions of
different Vedic books.

And what did that reference to pious forgeries mean? Whose forgeries, for
what purpose? And what is the connection with the arrests of poets,
writers and lawyers working for the voiceless downtrodden whom the state in
collusion with big multinational companies are dispossessing ?

Thank you, Joya Roy
*Rig Veda mentions that the greatest service to God is to spread the
spirit of Vedas with honesty, straight-forwardness, without deceit of any
kind, for all to enjoy true and spiritual happiness. By understanding the
philosophy, metaphysics, knowledge and various models contained in the
Vedas, we can perhaps find viable solutions to our present social,
economic, political and religious problems.*
Vedic metaphysics can save the mankind from all kinds of social, economic
and other depressions. Strengthen Sanatan Dharma (the eternal religion)
through revival of Vedas.
The followers of Vedic metaphysics can become *paramjot*- the carriers of
Vedic divine light (knowledge)
Dear Spiritual Brothers and Sisters,
Subject: Vedas and their relevance to the present age.
Owing to utility of Vedic metaphysics to the mankind, UNESCO has accorded
Heritage status to Vedas. These scriptures of yore explain comprehensively
many divine, spiritual and material subjects and guidelines given there in
can help in Universal Brotherhood (*Viswa Bandhutva*) and development of
scientific temper.
Adi Grantha says, “*Asankh grantha mukhi Ved path*”- there are
innumerable scriptures but study of Vedas is supreme. It also says, “*OMKAR
Ved Nirmayi*”- Vedas were revealed by God- hence Vedas are *Shruti.*
Atharva Veda makes it clear when soul was provided to human beings, Vedic
knowledge was revealed as human soul contains all the Vedic knowledge.
Vedic metaphysicists (*Rsis*) and wise wandering sages (*Munnies*)
through meditation communicated with their souls which are *vachispatiah*
(i.e. human soul- *Atma* has a sound and can communicate with us) and
acquired Vedic knowledge. Rig Veda tells us that soul was provided to human
beings so that the purpose of human birth could be known to human beings.
Rig Veda further mentions the purpose of human birth is to assist the
*Vishwakarma* (Supreme Reality/Architect) to assist Him in the
maintenance of His Grand wondrous Design by following Rta- Cosmic laws of
social, moral and physical order. Having created these laws (Rta) even God
follows them sternly lest great harm is done to His Creation.
Some of these Rta are “as you sow so shall you reap”, follow path of
moderation, “*Iddm nan mam”*- nothing for self all for society
(enlightened liberalism) and many others.
When human beings followed Vedic teachings and guidelines Vedic Sanatan
Dharma (eternal religion) was spread beyond Caucasus, Prasava (Persia),
Ariana (Iran), Indian sub continent, South Esat Asia JAVA, Samatra, Tashik
Khand (Tashkand) etc.
Many Greeks, Parthians, Kushans and many others merged with this divine
Dharma without any kind of conversion. Rig Veda mentions “*Rtam, Satyam,
Dharmmam”* as Vedic Dharma. Rta-Cosmic Laws of social, moral and physical
order are eternal truths (Satyam) and following these Laws (Rta) is Vedic
Dharma.
Under the vehement effect of dreaded materialism of Charvakaas the
followers of Sanatan Dharma started deviating from Vedic Metaphysics
(Upanishadic part of Vedas), Buddhism overtook Sanatan Dharma and history
tells us that Adi Sankracharya revived Vedas and Buddhism virtually
vanished from India . The message of later Rsis/Swamis/Maharisis is very
clear *“Revive Veda and save the mankind from self destruction”. *
*Vedas for modern age *
Our social interaction is limited to friends, relations etc but not to
community so our houses are spotlessly clean and surroundings dirty as
community welfare is never our Motto- Vedas take us to community welfare
and “WE” Feeling.
2. In social service the concept of Success is difficult to define- so it
is better to be a man of value than of success.
3. Research in social sciences and medical sciences has found that helping
others not for recognition is good for heart. It is great way to exercise
your heart and soul.
4. Vedas specifically guide us to TEACH (transparency, ethics,
accountability, community and humanity welfare) principle. Most of the
modern systems have failed in this regard.
5. Unless self rule at the grass root level is there in Democracy, the
rulers tend to become autocratic, corrupt, hypocrite and tyrannical
(Plato). There is no visible movement for swaraj- self rule in India.
*Ishta* theory of Vedas describes paths could be different so long as
these paths aim at the welfare of mankind and other animate and inanimate
life. Vedas do not consider matter as inert and explain in a large number
of hymns that matter has unsuspected vitality. All religions should aim at
unity in diversity i.e. (should lead to universal brotherhood-*viswa*
*bandhutva*), global family of the same One God (*vasudhaivan* *kutumbkam*),
global trade and global market for the material and spiritual welfare of
mankind. God being formless, ineffable and self-created,* avoid
explaining God* through categories, substance, activity, quality and
relationship. HE is beyond cognition, perception of human senses, logic of
mind and intellect. Words recoil to explain the Supreme Reality. Only true
and harmonised material, spiritual and divine knowledge (*para* *jnan*)
can unite all religions to compete with each other for the welfare of
mankind.
For the theists with material and intellectual knowledge,
multiplicity of gods is seen in the form of idols, icons and incarnation of
God as a human being. Some such individuals even find God/god as partly a
man and partly a woman (*Ardhanari Iswaran)*. Any individual who starts
moving towards para jnan (higher knowledge), all arguments start and end at
One formless and ineffable God who is *Sat, Chit, Anand* - the only
reality, supreme consciousness, and bliss.
*What is admirable in the Vedas* is that their powerful and comprehensive
philosophy was created for all ages and for the entire mankind. This
philosophy was made available at a time when most parts of the world had
hallucinations of ghosts getting out of dead bodies, when shadow was
interpreted as the soul, spirit, ghosts, and the soul was considered to be
getting out of the body at night during dreams. It was the period when the
concept of inner and outer world was highly confused. Out of fear complex
the ancient man worshipped snakes, animals, plants, and clouds by creating
millions of gods with form. When in most parts of the world the religion of
animism was wide spread, the Vedic metaphysics was getting developed in the
areas which now lie in the states of Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia,
Pakistan and some Northern parts of India. *Arya Vrata* was the land
spreading up to *Parshavas* ( Persia ), *Ariana *(later Iran ) and this
land was not a fairy tale country, since the Vedas nowhere describe
mythology as part of metaphysics.
The Dark Age or *Kali yuga* has the predominance of * avarnas and vritras*.
In this Age owing to spread of only material and intellectual knowledge
bereft of divine and spiritual knowledge, the predominant features are
superstitions, unscientific outlook, blind faith, hypocrisy, naked
selfishness and wide spread corruption. Fake gurus and god-men who get
hallucination that they are the incarnation of various gods on this earth,
multiply. Thus Vedic metaphysics meant for the guidance of human beings of
this Dark Age is largely ignored. However, the study of Vedas would reveal
that Vedic gurus (*Gu*- darkness and *Ru*- to dispel) are the dispellers
of both inner and outer darkness. They are more like Socrates, Mencius, St
Augustine, Immanuel Kant, Sankrachrya, Guru Nanak and swami Daya Nanda and
do not bear any resemblance to the modern godmen, *gurus, babas, tantriks
and swamis*.
A perusal and study of “Glimpses of Vedic Metaphysics” on the Internet can
give more details on the subject. The seekers of Vedic knowledge can access
this book through website http://www.sabhlokcity.com/metaphysics/
<http://www.sabhlokcity.com/metaphysics/==> OR through google.com/
<http://google.com/==> yahoo.com/ <http://yahoo.com/==> lulu.com
<http://lulu.com==>. Search for the Book.
With warm regards,
Yours spiritual brother,
Prem Sabhlok
1. Vedas explain scientifically divine, spiritual and material knowledge.
2. Material economics not based on inert matter
3. Purpose of life and human Birth
4. Why Vedas are referred as *Shruti*(Heard/directly revealed through
human soul)
5. Education system for allocating four divine Varna
6. Science is useful but scientific temper is more important.
7. Universal brotherhood, global family
8. Equality of men and women,
9. All religions to compete for the welfare of mankind- they could vary
due to local conditions for environment, culture etc
10 *Tri-ani-pada* (three bodies in one)
11. Apriori- Knowledge
12. Concept of Moderation
13. *Iddam nan mmam* (nothing for self all for society)
14. Earth is not a quarry for exploitation
15. No Caste system based on birth
16. Spiritual science against present egoistic commercial spiritualism
17. *Rtam, Satyam Dharmmam. *
and many other subjects.
"Prodipto Roy" (via indiaresists Mailing List)
2018-09-06 23:30:35 UTC
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Dear Prem ji, please give the link to your Vedic online site. One always
needs chapter and verse numbers.

By the way, I am Joya Roy, using Gmail ID of my late husband, sociologist
Prodipto Roy (Ph. D., Penn.)
Dear Sh. Prodipto Roy,
Thanks for your email
I have no where mentioned Athrava Veda gave the exact time. I have
mentioned "When soul was provided to human beings" The two statements are
vastly different.
There are a lot of Pious forgeries going on to prove what fake
gurus/swamis say is correct and Vedas are false.
I have quoted Veda mantra/rik/hymns number in my e-book Glimpses of Vedic
Metaphysics.
Regards
Prem Sabhlok
------------------------------
*Sent:* Monday, September 3, 2018 7:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: Arrest widespread of Pious Forgeries by reviving Vedas
Truthfully- Relevance of Vedas to the Present Age
Sablok ji: Whenever you quote any Vedic book, kindly give the reference
that* Atharva Veda gave the exact time* when humans were given souls. I
am interested in this from a comparative perspective and need to know in
which chapter, verse and line this occurs. Then we can check online
versions of different Vedic books.
And what did that reference to pious forgeries mean? Whose forgeries, for
what purpose? And what is the connection with the arrests of poets,
writers and lawyers working for the voiceless downtrodden whom the state in
collusion with big multinational companies are dispossessing ?
Thank you, Joya Roy
*Rig Veda mentions that the greatest service to God is to spread the
spirit of Vedas with honesty, straight-forwardness, without deceit of any
kind, for all to enjoy true and spiritual happiness. By understanding the
philosophy, metaphysics, knowledge and various models contained in the
Vedas, we can perhaps find viable solutions to our present social,
economic, political and religious problems.*
Vedic metaphysics can save the mankind from all kinds of social, economic
and other depressions. Strengthen Sanatan Dharma (the eternal religion)
through revival of Vedas.
The followers of Vedic metaphysics can become *paramjot*- the carriers of
Vedic divine light (knowledge)
Dear Spiritual Brothers and Sisters,
Subject: Vedas and their relevance to the present age.
Owing to utility of Vedic metaphysics to the mankind, UNESCO has accorded
Heritage status to Vedas. These scriptures of yore explain comprehensively
many divine, spiritual and material subjects and guidelines given there in
can help in Universal Brotherhood (*Viswa Bandhutva*) and development of
scientific temper.
Adi Grantha says, “*Asankh grantha mukhi Ved path*”- there are
innumerable scriptures but study of Vedas is supreme. It also says, “*OMKAR
Ved Nirmayi*”- Vedas were revealed by God- hence Vedas are *Shruti.*
Atharva Veda makes it clear *when soul was provided to human beings,*
Vedic knowledge was revealed as human soul contains all the Vedic
knowledge. Vedic metaphysicists (*Rsis*) and wise wandering sages (
*Munnies*) through meditation communicated with their souls which are
*vachispatiah* (i.e. human soul- *Atma* has a sound and can communicate
with us) and acquired Vedic knowledge. Rig Veda tells us that soul was
provided to human beings so that the purpose of human birth could be
known to human beings.
Rig Veda further mentions the purpose of human birth is to assist the
*Vishwakarma* (Supreme Reality/Architect) to assist Him in the
maintenance of His Grand wondrous Design by following Rta- Cosmic laws of
social, moral and physical order. Having created these laws (Rta) even God
follows them sternly lest great harm is done to His Creation.
Some of these Rta are “as you sow so shall you reap”, follow path of
moderation, “*Iddm nan mam”*- nothing for self all for society
(enlightened liberalism) and many others.
When human beings followed Vedic teachings and guidelines Vedic Sanatan
Dharma (eternal religion) was spread beyond Caucasus, Prasava (Persia),
Ariana (Iran), Indian sub continent, South Esat Asia JAVA, Samatra, Tashik
Khand (Tashkand) etc.
Many Greeks, Parthians, Kushans and many others merged with this divine
Dharma without any kind of conversion. Rig Veda mentions “*Rtam, Satyam,
Dharmmam”* as Vedic Dharma. Rta-Cosmic Laws of social, moral and physical
order are eternal truths (Satyam) and following these Laws (Rta) is Vedic
Dharma.
Under the vehement effect of dreaded materialism of Charvakaas the
followers of Sanatan Dharma started deviating from Vedic Metaphysics
(Upanishadic part of Vedas), Buddhism overtook Sanatan Dharma and history
tells us that Adi Sankracharya revived Vedas and Buddhism virtually
vanished from India . The message of later Rsis/Swamis/Maharisis is very
clear *“Revive Veda and save the mankind from self destruction”. *
*Vedas for modern age *
Our social interaction is limited to friends, relations etc but not to
community so our houses are spotlessly clean and surroundings dirty as
community welfare is never our Motto- Vedas take us to community welfare
and “WE” Feeling.
2. In social service the concept of Success is difficult to define- so it
is better to be a man of value than of success.
3. Research in social sciences and medical sciences has found that helping
others not for recognition is good for heart. It is great way to exercise
your heart and soul.
4. Vedas specifically guide us to TEACH (transparency, ethics,
accountability, community and humanity welfare) principle. Most of the
modern systems have failed in this regard.
5. Unless self rule at the grass root level is there in Democracy, the
rulers tend to become autocratic, corrupt, hypocrite and tyrannical
(Plato). There is no visible movement for swaraj- self rule in India.
*Ishta* theory of Vedas describes paths could be different so long as
these paths aim at the welfare of mankind and other animate and inanimate
life. Vedas do not consider matter as inert and explain in a large number
of hymns that matter has unsuspected vitality. All religions should aim at
unity in diversity i.e. (should lead to universal brotherhood-*viswa*
*bandhutva*), global family of the same One God (*vasudhaivan* *kutumbkam*),
global trade and global market for the material and spiritual welfare of
mankind. God being formless, ineffable and self-created,* avoid
explaining God* through categories, substance, activity, quality and
relationship. HE is beyond cognition, perception of human senses, logic of
mind and intellect. Words recoil to explain the Supreme Reality. Only true
and harmonised material, spiritual and divine knowledge (*para* *jnan*)
can unite all religions to compete with each other for the welfare of
mankind.
For the theists with material and intellectual knowledge,
multiplicity of gods is seen in the form of idols, icons and incarnation of
God as a human being. Some such individuals even find God/god as partly a
man and partly a woman (*Ardhanari Iswaran)*. Any individual who starts
moving towards para jnan (higher knowledge), all arguments start and end at
One formless and ineffable God who is *Sat, Chit, Anand* - the only
reality, supreme consciousness, and bliss.
*What is admirable in the Vedas* is that their powerful and comprehensive
philosophy was created for all ages and for the entire mankind. This
philosophy was made available at a time when most parts of the world had
hallucinations of ghosts getting out of dead bodies, when shadow was
interpreted as the soul, spirit, ghosts, and the soul was considered to be
getting out of the body at night during dreams. It was the period when the
concept of inner and outer world was highly confused. Out of fear complex
the ancient man worshipped snakes, animals, plants, and clouds by creating
millions of gods with form. When in most parts of the world the religion of
animism was wide spread, the Vedic metaphysics was getting developed in the
areas which now lie in the states of Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia,
Pakistan and some Northern parts of India. *Arya Vrata* was the land
spreading up to *Parshavas* ( Persia ), *Ariana *(later Iran ) and this
land was not a fairy tale country, since the Vedas nowhere describe
mythology as part of metaphysics.
The Dark Age or *Kali yuga* has the predominance of * avarnas and vritras*.
In this Age owing to spread of only material and intellectual knowledge
bereft of divine and spiritual knowledge, the predominant features are
superstitions, unscientific outlook, blind faith, hypocrisy, naked
selfishness and wide spread corruption. Fake gurus and god-men who get
hallucination that they are the incarnation of various gods on this earth,
multiply. Thus Vedic metaphysics meant for the guidance of human beings of
this Dark Age is largely ignored. However, the study of Vedas would reveal
that Vedic gurus (*Gu*- darkness and *Ru*- to dispel) are the dispellers
of both inner and outer darkness. They are more like Socrates, Mencius, St
Augustine, Immanuel Kant, Sankrachrya, Guru Nanak and swami Daya Nanda and
do not bear any resemblance to the modern godmen, *gurus, babas, tantriks
and swamis*.
A perusal and study of “Glimpses of Vedic Metaphysics” on the Internet can
give more details on the subject. The seekers of Vedic knowledge can access
this book through website http://www.sabhlokcity.com/metaphysics/
<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sabhlokcity.com%2Fmetaphysics%2F%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4c6899ecb0c34db51f2508d611427012%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636715374382842172&sdata=IziYE%2B7jIWS%2B7r2QSa5OxN9gptkdtyZNGRWUEcvjRBY%3D&reserved=0>
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lulu.com <http://lulu.com==>. Search for the Book.
With warm regards,
Yours spiritual brother,
Prem Sabhlok
1. Vedas explain scientifically divine, spiritual and material knowledge.
2. Material economics not based on inert matter
3. Purpose of life and human Birth
4. Why Vedas are referred as *Shruti*(Heard/directly revealed through
human soul)
5. Education system for allocating four divine Varna
6. Science is useful but scientific temper is more important.
7. Universal brotherhood, global family
8. Equality of men and women,
9. All religions to compete for the welfare of mankind- they could vary
due to local conditions for environment, culture etc
10 *Tri-ani-pada* (three bodies in one)
11. Apriori- Knowledge
12. Concept of Moderation
13. *Iddam nan mmam* (nothing for self all for society)
14. Earth is not a quarry for exploitation
15. No Caste system based on birth
16. Spiritual science against present egoistic commercial spiritualism
17. *Rtam, Satyam Dharmmam. *
and many other subjects.
"Sarbajit Roy" (via indiaresists Mailing List)
2018-09-10 03:57:56 UTC
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As good patriotic Hindustanis dedicated to leading pure lives free of
corruption, assisted by our religious / agnostic / atheistic belief
systems, it is heartening to know that we have elders like Shri Prem
Sabhlokji spreading the words of the "pious forgeries" among IAC members in
his private capacity.

However, when Sabhlok-ji writes " *Owing to utility of Vedic metaphysics to
the mankind, UNESCO has accorded Heritage status to Vedas*", we must
intervene to clarify the disinformation and lies being spread in the public
domain about these forgeries.

The so-called Vedic manuscripts which have been included in the UNESCO
"Memory of the World" register refer to the *contents* of some forgeries
created by the British through Max Mueller purporting to be Kashmiri
origin manuscripts of the Rig Veda from 1800-1500 BC and allegedly
preserved in the Bhandarkar Oriental Institute Pune.

So-called Hindu nationalists are mischievously spreading the (British
origin) forgeries by claiming that these works are older than the Bible and
the Koran etc. and palming them off as authentic Hindu works, whereas the
reality is something else entirely since this so-called "heritage" Rig Ved
is only dated to 1875 and the forgery is based on the as authentic as
possible transcriptions commissioned by Maharshi DebendraNath Tagore's Adi
Brahmo Samaj in 1848 from the oral traditions of Kashi

For those interested, the Bhandarkar Institute's oldest dated work is of
the 14th century AD and seems a treatise on medicine.
http://www.bori.ac.in/manuscript_department.html

In 2004 RSS fanatics also attempted to burn down the Bhandarkar Institute
so they would later be able to claim that Hinduism's sacred books predating
the Bible had been destroyed. *Luckily they were thwarted*.


Sarbajit
Working President
All India Hindu Samaj (1849)
Post by "Prodipto Roy" (via indiaresists Mailing List)
Dear Prem ji, please give the link to your Vedic online site. One always
needs chapter and verse numbers.
By the way, I am Joya Roy, using Gmail ID of my late husband,
sociologist Prodipto Roy (Ph. D., Penn.)
Dear Sh. Prodipto Roy,
Thanks for your email
I have no where mentioned Athrava Veda gave the exact time. I have
mentioned "When soul was provided to human beings" The two statements are
vastly different.
There are a lot of Pious forgeries going on to prove what fake
gurus/swamis say is correct and Vedas are false.
I have quoted Veda mantra/rik/hymns number in my e-book Glimpses of Vedic
Metaphysics.
Regards
Prem Sabhlok
------------------------------
*Sent:* Monday, September 3, 2018 7:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: Arrest widespread of Pious Forgeries by reviving Vedas
Truthfully- Relevance of Vedas to the Present Age
Sablok ji: Whenever you quote any Vedic book, kindly give the reference
that* Atharva Veda gave the exact time* when humans were given souls. I
am interested in this from a comparative perspective and need to know in
which chapter, verse and line this occurs. Then we can check online
versions of different Vedic books.
And what did that reference to pious forgeries mean? Whose forgeries,
for what purpose? And what is the connection with the arrests of poets,
writers and lawyers working for the voiceless downtrodden whom the state in
collusion with big multinational companies are dispossessing ?
Thank you, Joya Roy
*Rig Veda mentions that the greatest service to God is to spread the
spirit of Vedas with honesty, straight-forwardness, without deceit of any
kind, for all to enjoy true and spiritual happiness. By understanding the
philosophy, metaphysics, knowledge and various models contained in the
Vedas, we can perhaps find viable solutions to our present social,
economic, political and religious problems.*
Vedic metaphysics can save the mankind from all kinds of social, economic
and other depressions. Strengthen Sanatan Dharma (the eternal religion)
through revival of Vedas.
The followers of Vedic metaphysics can become *paramjot*- the carriers
of Vedic divine light (knowledge)
Dear Spiritual Brothers and Sisters,
Subject: Vedas and their relevance to the present age.
Owing to utility of Vedic metaphysics to the mankind, UNESCO has accorded
Heritage status to Vedas. These scriptures of yore explain comprehensively
many divine, spiritual and material subjects and guidelines given there in
can help in Universal Brotherhood (*Viswa Bandhutva*) and development of
scientific temper.
Adi Grantha says, “*Asankh grantha mukhi Ved path*”- there are
innumerable scriptures but study of Vedas is supreme. It also says, “*OMKAR
Ved Nirmayi*”- Vedas were revealed by God- hence Vedas are *Shruti.*
Atharva Veda makes it clear *when soul was provided to human beings,*
Vedic knowledge was revealed as human soul contains all the Vedic
knowledge. Vedic metaphysicists (*Rsis*) and wise wandering sages (
*Munnies*) through meditation communicated with their souls which are
*vachispatiah* (i.e. human soul- *Atma* has a sound and can communicate
with us) and acquired Vedic knowledge. Rig Veda tells us that soul was
provided to human beings so that the purpose of human birth could be
known to human beings.
Rig Veda further mentions the purpose of human birth is to assist the
*Vishwakarma* (Supreme Reality/Architect) to assist Him in the
maintenance of His Grand wondrous Design by following Rta- Cosmic laws of
social, moral and physical order. Having created these laws (Rta) even God
follows them sternly lest great harm is done to His Creation.
Some of these Rta are “as you sow so shall you reap”, follow path of
moderation, “*Iddm nan mam”*- nothing for self all for society
(enlightened liberalism) and many others.
When human beings followed Vedic teachings and guidelines Vedic Sanatan
Dharma (eternal religion) was spread beyond Caucasus, Prasava (Persia),
Ariana (Iran), Indian sub continent, South Esat Asia JAVA, Samatra, Tashik
Khand (Tashkand) etc.
Many Greeks, Parthians, Kushans and many others merged with this divine
Dharma without any kind of conversion. Rig Veda mentions “*Rtam, Satyam,
Dharmmam”* as Vedic Dharma. Rta-Cosmic Laws of social, moral and
physical order are eternal truths (Satyam) and following these Laws (Rta)
is Vedic Dharma.
Under the vehement effect of dreaded materialism of Charvakaas the
followers of Sanatan Dharma started deviating from Vedic Metaphysics
(Upanishadic part of Vedas), Buddhism overtook Sanatan Dharma and history
tells us that Adi Sankracharya revived Vedas and Buddhism virtually
vanished from India . The message of later Rsis/Swamis/Maharisis is very
clear *“Revive Veda and save the mankind from self destruction”. *
*Vedas for modern age *
Our social interaction is limited to friends, relations etc but not to
community so our houses are spotlessly clean and surroundings dirty as
community welfare is never our Motto- Vedas take us to community welfare
and “WE” Feeling.
2. In social service the concept of Success is difficult to define- so
it is better to be a man of value than of success.
3. Research in social sciences and medical sciences has found that
helping others not for recognition is good for heart. It is great way to
exercise your heart and soul.
4. Vedas specifically guide us to TEACH (transparency, ethics,
accountability, community and humanity welfare) principle. Most of the
modern systems have failed in this regard.
5. Unless self rule at the grass root level is there in Democracy, the
rulers tend to become autocratic, corrupt, hypocrite and tyrannical
(Plato). There is no visible movement for swaraj- self rule in India.
*Ishta* theory of Vedas describes paths could be different so long as
these paths aim at the welfare of mankind and other animate and inanimate
life. Vedas do not consider matter as inert and explain in a large number
of hymns that matter has unsuspected vitality. All religions should aim at
unity in diversity i.e. (should lead to universal brotherhood-*viswa*
*bandhutva*), global family of the same One God (*vasudhaivan*
*kutumbkam*), global trade and global market for the material and
spiritual welfare of mankind. God being formless, ineffable and
self-created,* avoid explaining God* through categories, substance,
activity, quality and relationship. HE is beyond cognition, perception of
human senses, logic of mind and intellect. Words recoil to explain the
Supreme Reality. Only true and harmonised material, spiritual and divine
knowledge (*para* *jnan*) can unite all religions to compete with each
other for the welfare of mankind.
For the theists with material and intellectual knowledge,
multiplicity of gods is seen in the form of idols, icons and incarnation of
God as a human being. Some such individuals even find God/god as partly a
man and partly a woman (*Ardhanari Iswaran)*. Any individual who starts
moving towards para jnan (higher knowledge), all arguments start and end at
One formless and ineffable God who is *Sat, Chit, Anand* - the only
reality, supreme consciousness, and bliss.
*What is admirable in the Vedas* is that their powerful and
comprehensive philosophy was created for all ages and for the entire
mankind. This philosophy was made available at a time when most parts of
the world had hallucinations of ghosts getting out of dead bodies, when
shadow was interpreted as the soul, spirit, ghosts, and the soul was
considered to be getting out of the body at night during dreams. It was the
period when the concept of inner and outer world was highly confused. Out
of fear complex the ancient man worshipped snakes, animals, plants, and
clouds by creating millions of gods with form. When in most parts of the
world the religion of animism was wide spread, the Vedic metaphysics was
getting developed in the areas which now lie in the states of Iran, Iraq,
Afghanistan, Georgia, Pakistan and some Northern parts of India. *Arya
Vrata* was the land spreading up to *Parshavas* ( Persia ), *Ariana *(later
Iran ) and this land was not a fairy tale country, since the Vedas nowhere
describe mythology as part of metaphysics.
The Dark Age or *Kali yuga* has the predominance of * avarnas and
vritras*. In this Age owing to spread of only material and intellectual
knowledge bereft of divine and spiritual knowledge, the predominant
features are superstitions, unscientific outlook, blind faith, hypocrisy,
naked selfishness and wide spread corruption. Fake gurus and god-men who
get hallucination that they are the incarnation of various gods on this
earth, multiply. Thus Vedic metaphysics meant for the guidance of human
beings of this Dark Age is largely ignored. However, the study of Vedas
would reveal that Vedic gurus (*Gu*- darkness and *Ru*- to dispel) are
the dispellers of both inner and outer darkness. They are more like
Socrates, Mencius, St Augustine, Immanuel Kant, Sankrachrya, Guru Nanak and
swami Daya Nanda and do not bear any resemblance to the modern godmen, *gurus,
babas, tantriks and swamis*.
A perusal and study of “Glimpses of Vedic Metaphysics” on the Internet
can give more details on the subject. The seekers of Vedic knowledge can
access this book through website http://www.sabhlokcity.com/metaphysics/
<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sabhlokcity.com%2Fmetaphysics%2F%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4c6899ecb0c34db51f2508d611427012%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636715374382842172&sdata=IziYE%2B7jIWS%2B7r2QSa5OxN9gptkdtyZNGRWUEcvjRBY%3D&reserved=0>
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lulu.com <http://lulu.com==>. Search for the Book.
With warm regards,
Yours spiritual brother,
Prem Sabhlok
1. Vedas explain scientifically divine, spiritual and material knowledge.
2. Material economics not based on inert matter
3. Purpose of life and human Birth
4. Why Vedas are referred as *Shruti*(Heard/directly revealed through
human soul)
5. Education system for allocating four divine Varna
6. Science is useful but scientific temper is more important.
7. Universal brotherhood, global family
8. Equality of men and women,
9. All religions to compete for the welfare of mankind- they could vary
due to local conditions for environment, culture etc
10 *Tri-ani-pada* (three bodies in one)
11. Apriori- Knowledge
12. Concept of Moderation
13. *Iddam nan mmam* (nothing for self all for society)
14. Earth is not a quarry for exploitation
15. No Caste system based on birth
16. Spiritual science against present egoistic commercial spiritualism
17. *Rtam, Satyam Dharmmam. *
and many other subjects.
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Gladly. My father, a Bihar ICS originally from Sylhet in Bangladesh, was
not only a distinguished Sanskrit student of Govt. College, Lahore, but a
polyglot who learnt several European languages as well as Pali. While in
Bihar as a magistrate he excavated Buddhist sites in Rajgriha on the basis
of Xuan Xang's and Cunningham's accounts - sources that were more than
1200 years apart. He noted how Buddhist thought and literature from the
famed universities of Nalanda, Vikramashila, Taxila and Odantapuri had
been obliterated from Indian history, their legacy found now only in
Tibetan, Chinese and late Pali of Sri Lanka. HMG's government denied him
permission to learn Tibetan so he focused on mainly the early Pali sources.

From being a Brahma Samaji (his father was outcaste from the Brahminical
fold when he went to study with non-Brahmins in Presidency College,
Calcutta) he became a crypto-Buddhist, like the great Shankara who
absorbed Prasangika Madhyamika ideas into his own thinking while at the
same time preserving the old system of caste hierarchy and varnashram
dharma.

My maternal great grandfather Navin Chandra Rai was the foremost Sanskrit
educator of the 19th Century. See his Varnalipi, long used as a Sanskrit
textbook in UP and the Punjab.

Due to my forbears' modern outlook, our family suffered by losing all land
assets in our native Bengal at the hands of unscrupulous Brahminical
priests. The same ones who quote Vedas which attribute origin of OBCs and
dalits (the majority population) to the unclean nether parts of Vedic
godhead. And who annointed any foreign invader be they Saka, Huna,
Gurjara, Yueh Chi, Bactrians, Scythians or Greeks, Kshatriya status to
rule over society and compensate in return the Brahmins with courtly posts
and sacred functions. Freedom from caste restrictions opened up many new
intellectual activities and professions to my family as my elders were able
to travel abroad and live anywhere to study and work, in science,
medicine and law.

I am an editor and student of English literature who sadly refused to study
Sanskrit from the fat, pan chewing Banarasi Brahmins my father hired as
teachers. In my 70th year I became a student of the extensive Buddhist
literature on Logic, epistemology, debate, metaphysics and phenomenology
extant in Tibetan and reintroduced to Indian students in the Nalanda
Masters Course by Tibetan masters from monastic colleges relocated in India
after 1959.

We study all Indian Darshans briefly and the 4-6 main Buddhist schools
intensively, from Vaibhasika and Cittamatra including the Yogacara school
Xuan Xang came all the way from the Chinese capital in Xian to study in
Kashmir, Bihar and Tamilnadu, then Buddhist kingdoms, and we study the so
called highest school of Prasangika Madhyamika of Acharya Nagarjuna,
Chandrakirti, Shantideva and other great (Brahmin!) Nalanda pandits. High
and low in this context implies extent of reliance by any school of
thought on logical analysis of assertions on any subject and critical
reasoning.

Hence my interest in authentic sources in any religious tradition quoted by
anybody in defense of their own traditions, including those Vedic sources
your esteemed assertions are based on. Debate and friendly discussion were
once the hallmark of a true scholar in Bharatvarsha.

Joya Roy
*Dear Madame Ms Joya Roy,*
*I am no Vedic Scholar nor a Socialist Activist nor Sociologist. There is
some mistake about it. In fact, I have been trying to unsubscribe
unsuccessfully from this INDIARESIST.*
*Some times I pass on to learned Vedic, Brig Raj B Sharma and Rear
Admiral JJ Baxi, who are both active on FACEBOOK. You may like to join
their Trail.*
*Who would you describe yourself, please.*
*Regards,*
*Prem Batra*
*==================================================================*
Post by "Prodipto Roy" (via indiaresists Mailing List)
Dear Prem ji, please give the link to your Vedic online site. One
always needs chapter and verse numbers.
By the way, I am Joya Roy, using Gmail ID of my late husband,
sociologist Prodipto Roy (Ph. D., Penn.)
Dear Sh. Prodipto Roy,
Thanks for your email
I have no where mentioned Athrava Veda gave the exact time. I have
mentioned "When soul was provided to human beings" The two statements are
vastly different.
There are a lot of Pious forgeries going on to prove what fake
gurus/swamis say is correct and Vedas are false.
I have quoted Veda mantra/rik/hymns number in my e-book Glimpses of
Vedic Metaphysics.
Regards
Prem Sabhlok
------------------------------
*Sent:* Monday, September 3, 2018 7:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: Arrest widespread of Pious Forgeries by reviving Vedas
Truthfully- Relevance of Vedas to the Present Age
Sablok ji: Whenever you quote any Vedic book, kindly give the
reference to the exact mandal, verse and line of the text. For example,
you wrote that* Atharva Veda gave the exact time* when humans were
given souls. I am interested in this from a comparative perspective and
need to know in which chapter, verse and line this occurs. Then we can
check online versions of different Vedic books.
And what did that reference to pious forgeries mean? Whose forgeries,
for what purpose? And what is the connection with the arrests of poets,
writers and lawyers working for the voiceless downtrodden whom the state in
collusion with big multinational companies are dispossessing ?
Thank you, Joya Roy
*Rig Veda mentions that the greatest service to God is to spread the
spirit of Vedas with honesty, straight-forwardness, without deceit of any
kind, for all to enjoy true and spiritual happiness. By understanding the
philosophy, metaphysics, knowledge and various models contained in the
Vedas, we can perhaps find viable solutions to our present social,
economic, political and religious problems.*
Vedic metaphysics can save the mankind from all kinds of social,
economic and other depressions. Strengthen Sanatan Dharma (the eternal
religion) through revival of Vedas.
The followers of Vedic metaphysics can become *paramjot*- the carriers
of Vedic divine light (knowledge)
Dear Spiritual Brothers and Sisters,
Subject: Vedas and their relevance to the present age.
Owing to utility of Vedic metaphysics to the mankind, UNESCO has
accorded Heritage status to Vedas. These scriptures of yore explain
comprehensively many divine, spiritual and material subjects and guidelines
given there in can help in Universal Brotherhood (*Viswa Bandhutva*)
and development of scientific temper.
Adi Grantha says, “*Asankh grantha mukhi Ved path*”- there are
innumerable scriptures but study of Vedas is supreme. It also says, “*OMKAR
Ved Nirmayi*”- Vedas were revealed by God- hence Vedas are *Shruti.*
Atharva Veda makes it clear *when soul was provided to human beings,*
Vedic knowledge was revealed as human soul contains all the Vedic
knowledge. Vedic metaphysicists (*Rsis*) and wise wandering sages (
*Munnies*) through meditation communicated with their souls which are
*vachispatiah* (i.e. human soul- *Atma* has a sound and can communicate
with us) and acquired Vedic knowledge. Rig Veda tells us that soul was
provided to human beings so that the purpose of human birth could be
known to human beings.
Rig Veda further mentions the purpose of human birth is to assist the
*Vishwakarma* (Supreme Reality/Architect) to assist Him in the
maintenance of His Grand wondrous Design by following Rta- Cosmic laws of
social, moral and physical order. Having created these laws (Rta) even God
follows them sternly lest great harm is done to His Creation.
Some of these Rta are “as you sow so shall you reap”, follow path of
moderation, “*Iddm nan mam”*- nothing for self all for society
(enlightened liberalism) and many others.
When human beings followed Vedic teachings and guidelines Vedic Sanatan
Dharma (eternal religion) was spread beyond Caucasus, Prasava (Persia),
Ariana (Iran), Indian sub continent, South Esat Asia JAVA, Samatra, Tashik
Khand (Tashkand) etc.
Many Greeks, Parthians, Kushans and many others merged with this divine
Dharma without any kind of conversion. Rig Veda mentions “*Rtam,
Satyam, Dharmmam”* as Vedic Dharma. Rta-Cosmic Laws of social, moral
and physical order are eternal truths (Satyam) and following these Laws
(Rta) is Vedic Dharma.
Under the vehement effect of dreaded materialism of Charvakaas the
followers of Sanatan Dharma started deviating from Vedic Metaphysics
(Upanishadic part of Vedas), Buddhism overtook Sanatan Dharma and history
tells us that Adi Sankracharya revived Vedas and Buddhism virtually
vanished from India . The message of later Rsis/Swamis/Maharisis is very
clear *“Revive Veda and save the mankind from self destruction”. *
*Vedas for modern age *
Our social interaction is limited to friends, relations etc but not to
community so our houses are spotlessly clean and surroundings dirty as
community welfare is never our Motto- Vedas take us to community
welfare and “WE” Feeling.
2. In social service the concept of Success is difficult to define- so
it is better to be a man of value than of success.
3. Research in social sciences and medical sciences has found that
helping others not for recognition is good for heart. It is great way to
exercise your heart and soul.
4. Vedas specifically guide us to TEACH (transparency, ethics,
accountability, community and humanity welfare) principle. Most of the
modern systems have failed in this regard.
5. Unless self rule at the grass root level is there in Democracy, the
rulers tend to become autocratic, corrupt, hypocrite and tyrannical
(Plato). There is no visible movement for swaraj- self rule in India.
*Ishta* theory of Vedas describes paths could be different so long as
these paths aim at the welfare of mankind and other animate and inanimate
life. Vedas do not consider matter as inert and explain in a large number
of hymns that matter has unsuspected vitality. All religions should aim at
unity in diversity i.e. (should lead to universal brotherhood-*viswa*
*bandhutva*), global family of the same One God (*vasudhaivan*
*kutumbkam*), global trade and global market for the material and
spiritual welfare of mankind. God being formless, ineffable and
self-created,* avoid explaining God* through categories, substance,
activity, quality and relationship. HE is beyond cognition, perception of
human senses, logic of mind and intellect. Words recoil to explain the
Supreme Reality. Only true and harmonised material, spiritual and divine
knowledge (*para* *jnan*) can unite all religions to compete with each
other for the welfare of mankind.
For the theists with material and intellectual knowledge,
multiplicity of gods is seen in the form of idols, icons and incarnation of
God as a human being. Some such individuals even find God/god as partly a
man and partly a woman (*Ardhanari Iswaran)*. Any individual who starts
moving towards para jnan (higher knowledge), all arguments start and end at
One formless and ineffable God who is *Sat, Chit, Anand* - the only
reality, supreme consciousness, and bliss.
*What is admirable in the Vedas* is that their powerful and
comprehensive philosophy was created for all ages and for the entire
mankind. This philosophy was made available at a time when most parts of
the world had hallucinations of ghosts getting out of dead bodies, when
shadow was interpreted as the soul, spirit, ghosts, and the soul was
considered to be getting out of the body at night during dreams. It was the
period when the concept of inner and outer world was highly confused. Out
of fear complex the ancient man worshipped snakes, animals, plants, and
clouds by creating millions of gods with form. When in most parts of the
world the religion of animism was wide spread, the Vedic metaphysics was
getting developed in the areas which now lie in the states of Iran, Iraq,
Afghanistan, Georgia, Pakistan and some Northern parts of India. *Arya
Vrata* was the land spreading up to *Parshavas* ( Persia ), *Ariana *(later
Iran ) and this land was not a fairy tale country, since the Vedas nowhere
describe mythology as part of metaphysics.
The Dark Age or *Kali yuga* has the predominance of * avarnas and
vritras*. In this Age owing to spread of only material and intellectual
knowledge bereft of divine and spiritual knowledge, the predominant
features are superstitions, unscientific outlook, blind faith, hypocrisy,
naked selfishness and wide spread corruption. Fake gurus and god-men who
get hallucination that they are the incarnation of various gods on this
earth, multiply. Thus Vedic metaphysics meant for the guidance of human
beings of this Dark Age is largely ignored. However, the study of Vedas
would reveal that Vedic gurus (*Gu*- darkness and *Ru*- to dispel) are
the dispellers of both inner and outer darkness. They are more like
Socrates, Mencius, St Augustine, Immanuel Kant, Sankrachrya, Guru Nanak and
swami Daya Nanda and do not bear any resemblance to the modern godmen, *gurus,
babas, tantriks and swamis*.
A perusal and study of “Glimpses of Vedic Metaphysics” on the Internet
can give more details on the subject. The seekers of Vedic knowledge can
access this book through website http://www.sabhlokcity.com/metaphysics/
<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sabhlokcity.com%2Fmetaphysics%2F%3D%3D&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4c6899ecb0c34db51f2508d611427012%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636715374382842172&sdata=IziYE%2B7jIWS%2B7r2QSa5OxN9gptkdtyZNGRWUEcvjRBY%3D&reserved=0>
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With warm regards,
Yours spiritual brother,
Prem Sabhlok
1. Vedas explain scientifically divine, spiritual and material knowledge.
2. Material economics not based on inert matter
3. Purpose of life and human Birth
4. Why Vedas are referred as *Shruti*(Heard/directly revealed through
human soul)
5. Education system for allocating four divine Varna
6. Science is useful but scientific temper is more important.
7. Universal brotherhood, global family
8. Equality of men and women,
9. All religions to compete for the welfare of mankind- they could vary
due to local conditions for environment, culture etc
10 *Tri-ani-pada* (three bodies in one)
11. Apriori- Knowledge
12. Concept of Moderation
13. *Iddam nan mmam* (nothing for self all for society)
14. Earth is not a quarry for exploitation
15. No Caste system based on birth
16. Spiritual science against present egoistic commercial spiritualism
17. *Rtam, Satyam Dharmmam. *
and many other subjects.
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Dear Prem, I am interested to join your discourse on the Vedas, and thereby learn more of the wonderful spiritual teachings of our religion which regrettably is hard to come by. Please continue to keep me informed. I have some books which I will refer to and attempt to consolidate my learning, fond regards, Hirak.

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From: Prodipto Roy
Sent: 13 September 2018 07:31
To: PremParkash Batra; ***@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arrest widespread of Pious Forgeries by reviving VedasTruthfully- Relevance of Vedas to the Present Age

Gladly.  My father,  a Bihar ICS  originally from Sylhet in Bangladesh, was not only a distinguished Sanskrit student of Govt.  College,  Lahore, but a polyglot who learnt several European languages as well as Pali. While in Bihar as a magistrate he excavated Buddhist sites in Rajgriha on the basis of Xuan Xang's and Cunningham's accounts -  sources that were more than 1200 years apart.  He noted how Buddhist thought and literature from the famed universities of Nalanda,  Vikramashila,  Taxila and Odantapuri had been obliterated from Indian history,  their legacy found now only in Tibetan,  Chinese and late Pali of Sri Lanka.  HMG's government denied him permission to learn Tibetan so he focused on mainly the early Pali sources.
From being a Brahma Samaji (his father was outcaste from the Brahminical fold when he went to study with non-Brahmins in Presidency College,  Calcutta) he became a crypto-Buddhist,  like the great Shankara who absorbed Prasangika Madhyamika ideas into his own thinking while at the same time preserving the old system of caste hierarchy and varnashram dharma.
My maternal great grandfather Navin Chandra Rai was the foremost Sanskrit educator of the 19th Century. See his Varnalipi,  long used as a Sanskrit textbook in UP and the Punjab.
Due to my forbears' modern outlook,  our family suffered by losing all land assets in our native Bengal at the hands of unscrupulous Brahminical priests. The same ones who quote Vedas which attribute origin of OBCs and dalits (the majority population) to the unclean nether parts of Vedic godhead. And who annointed any foreign invader be they Saka,  Huna,  Gurjara,  Yueh Chi,  Bactrians,  Scythians or Greeks,  Kshatriya status to rule over society and compensate in return the Brahmins with courtly posts and sacred functions. Freedom from caste restrictions opened up many new intellectual activities and professions to my family as my elders were able to travel abroad and live anywhere to study and work,  in science,  medicine and law.
I am an editor and student of English literature who sadly refused to study Sanskrit from the fat,  pan chewing Banarasi Brahmins my father hired as teachers.  In my 70th year I became a student of the extensive Buddhist literature on Logic,  epistemology,  debate,  metaphysics and phenomenology extant in Tibetan and reintroduced to Indian students in the Nalanda Masters Course by Tibetan masters from monastic colleges relocated in India after 1959.
We study all Indian Darshans briefly and the 4-6 main Buddhist schools intensively, from Vaibhasika and Cittamatra including the Yogacara school  Xuan Xang came all the way from the Chinese capital in Xian to study in Kashmir,  Bihar and Tamilnadu,  then Buddhist kingdoms, and we study the so called highest school of Prasangika Madhyamika of Acharya Nagarjuna,  Chandrakirti, Shantideva and other great (Brahmin!) Nalanda pandits. High and low in this context implies extent of reliance by any school of thought  on logical analysis of assertions on any subject and critical reasoning.
Hence my interest in authentic sources in any religious tradition quoted by anybody in defense of their own traditions,  including those Vedic sources your esteemed assertions are based on. Debate and friendly discussion were once the hallmark of a true scholar in Bharatvarsha.
Joya Roy

On 10 Sep 2018 10:29 a.m., "PremParkash Batra" <***@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Madame Ms Joya Roy,

I am no Vedic Scholar nor a Socialist Activist nor Sociologist. There is some mistake about it. In fact, I have been trying to unsubscribe unsuccessfully from this INDIARESIST.

Some times I pass on to learned Vedic,  Brig Raj B Sharma and Rear Admiral JJ Baxi, who are both active on FACEBOOK. You may like to join their Trail.

Who would you describe yourself, please.

Regards,

Prem Batra
==================================================================

On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 09:08, Prodipto Roy <***@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Prem ji,  please give the link to your Vedic online site.  One always needs chapter and verse numbers. 
By the way,  I am Joya Roy,  using Gmail ID of my late husband, sociologist Prodipto Roy (Ph.  D., Penn.)

On 6 Sep 2018 7:27 p.m., "Prem Sabhlok" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sh. Prodipto Roy,

Thanks for your email

I have no where mentioned Athrava Veda gave the exact time. I have mentioned "When soul was provided to human beings" The two statements are vastly different.

There are a lot of Pious forgeries going on to prove what fake gurus/swamis say is correct and Vedas are false.

I have quoted Veda mantra/rik/hymns number in my e-book Glimpses of Vedic Metaphysics. 
Regards
Prem Sabhlok

From: Prodipto Roy <***@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 7:40 AM
To: Prem Sabhlok; ***@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: Arrest widespread of Pious Forgeries by reviving Vedas Truthfully- Relevance of Vedas to the Present Age
 
Sablok ji: Whenever you quote  any Vedic book,  kindly give the reference to the exact mandal,  verse and line of the text.  For example,  you wrote that Atharva Veda gave the exact time when humans were given souls.  I am interested in this from a comparative perspective and need to know in which chapter,  verse and line this occurs. Then we can check online versions of different Vedic books.
And what did that reference to pious forgeries mean? Whose forgeries,  for what purpose? And what is the connection with the arrests of poets,  writers and lawyers working for the voiceless downtrodden whom the state in collusion with big multinational  companies are dispossessing ?
Thank you,  Joya Roy

On 3 Sep 2018 4:09 a.m., "Prem Sabhlok" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

 
Rig Veda mentions that the greatest service to God is to spread the spirit of Vedas with honesty, straight-forwardness, without deceit of any kind, for all to enjoy true and spiritual happiness. By understanding the philosophy, metaphysics, knowledge and various models contained in the Vedas, we can perhaps find viable solutions to our present social, economic, political and religious problems.
Vedic metaphysics can save the mankind from all kinds of social, economic and other depressions. Strengthen Sanatan Dharma (the eternal religion) through revival of Vedas.
The followers of Vedic metaphysics can become paramjot- the carriers of Vedic divine light (knowledge)
 
Dear Spiritual Brothers and Sisters,
Subject: Vedas and their relevance to the present age.
 
Owing to utility of Vedic metaphysics to the mankind, UNESCO has accorded Heritage status to Vedas. These scriptures of yore explain comprehensively many divine, spiritual and material subjects and guidelines given there in can help in Universal Brotherhood (Viswa Bandhutva) and development of scientific temper.
Adi Grantha says, “Asankh grantha mukhi Ved path”- there are innumerable scriptures but study of Vedas is supreme. It also says, “OMKAR Ved Nirmayi”- Vedas were revealed by God- hence Vedas are Shruti.
 
Atharva Veda makes it clear when soul was provided to human beings, Vedic knowledge was revealed as human soul contains all the Vedic knowledge. Vedic metaphysicists (Rsis) and wise wandering sages (Munnies) through meditation communicated with their souls which are vachispatiah (i.e. human soul- Atma has a sound and can communicate with us) and acquired Vedic knowledge. Rig Veda tells us that soul was provided to human beings so that the purpose of human birth could be known to human beings.
 
Rig Veda further mentions the purpose of human birth is to assist the Vishwakarma (Supreme Reality/Architect) to assist Him in the maintenance of His Grand wondrous Design by following Rta- Cosmic laws of social, moral and physical order. Having created these laws (Rta) even God follows them sternly lest great harm is done to His Creation.
Some of these Rta are “as you sow so shall you reap”, follow path of moderation, “Iddm nan mam”- nothing for self all for society (enlightened liberalism) and many others.
 
When human beings followed Vedic teachings and guidelines Vedic Sanatan Dharma (eternal religion) was spread beyond Caucasus, Prasava (Persia), Ariana (Iran), Indian sub continent, South Esat Asia JAVA, Samatra, Tashik Khand (Tashkand) etc.
Many Greeks, Parthians, Kushans and many others merged with this divine Dharma without any kind of conversion. Rig Veda mentions “Rtam, Satyam, Dharmmam” as Vedic Dharma. Rta-Cosmic Laws of social, moral and physical order are eternal truths (Satyam) and following these Laws (Rta) is Vedic Dharma.
 
Under the vehement effect of dreaded materialism of Charvakaas the followers of Sanatan Dharma started deviating from Vedic Metaphysics (Upanishadic part of Vedas), Buddhism overtook Sanatan Dharma and history tells us that Adi Sankracharya revived Vedas and Buddhism virtually vanished from India . The message of later Rsis/Swamis/Maharisis is very clear “Revive Veda and save the mankind from self destruction”.  
Vedas for modern age
Our social interaction is limited to friends, relations etc but not to community so our houses are spotlessly clean and surroundings dirty as community welfare is never our Motto- Vedas take us to community welfare and “WE” Feeling.
2. In social service the concept of Success is difficult to define- so it is better to be a man of value than of success.
3. Research in social sciences and medical sciences has found that helping others not for recognition is good for heart. It is great way to exercise your heart and soul.
4. Vedas specifically guide us to TEACH (transparency, ethics, accountability, community and humanity welfare) principle. Most of the modern systems have failed in this regard.
5. Unless self rule at the grass root level is there in Democracy, the rulers tend to become autocratic, corrupt, hypocrite and tyrannical (Plato). There is no visible movement for swaraj- self rule in India.
Ishta theory of Vedas describes paths could be different so long as these paths aim at the welfare of mankind and other animate and inanimate life. Vedas do not consider matter as inert and explain in a large number of hymns that matter has unsuspected vitality. All religions should aim at unity in diversity i.e. (should lead to universal brotherhood-viswa bandhutva), global family of the same One God (vasudhaivan kutumbkam), global trade and global market for the material and spiritual welfare of mankind. God being formless, ineffable and self-created, avoid explaining God through categories, substance, activity, quality and relationship. HE is beyond cognition, perception of human senses, logic of mind and intellect. Words recoil to explain the Supreme Reality. Only true and harmonised material, spiritual and divine knowledge (para jnan) can unite all religions to compete with each other for the welfare of mankind.
            For the theists with material and intellectual knowledge, multiplicity of gods is seen in the form of idols, icons and incarnation of God as a human being. Some such individuals even find God/god as partly a man and partly a woman (Ardhanari Iswaran). Any individual who starts moving towards para jnan (higher knowledge), all arguments start and end at One formless and ineffable God who is Sat, Chit, Anand - the only reality, supreme consciousness, and bliss.
What is admirable in the Vedas is that their powerful and comprehensive philosophy was created for all ages and for the entire mankind. This philosophy was made available at a time when most parts of the world had hallucinations of ghosts getting out of dead bodies, when shadow was interpreted as the soul, spirit, ghosts, and the soul was considered to be getting out of the body at night during dreams. It was the period when the concept of inner and outer world was highly confused. Out of fear complex the ancient man worshipped snakes, animals, plants, and clouds by creating millions of gods with form. When in most parts of the world the religion of animism was wide spread, the Vedic metaphysics was getting developed in the areas which now lie in the states of Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia, Pakistan and some Northern parts of India. Arya Vrata was the land spreading up to Parshavas ( Persia ), Ariana (later Iran ) and this land was not a fairy tale country, since the Vedas nowhere describe mythology as part of metaphysics.
The Dark Age or Kali yuga has the predominance of avarnas and vritras. In this Age owing to spread of only material and intellectual knowledge bereft of divine and spiritual knowledge, the predominant features are superstitions, unscientific outlook, blind faith, hypocrisy, naked selfishness and wide spread corruption. Fake gurus and god-men who get hallucination that they are the incarnation of various gods on this earth, multiply. Thus Vedic metaphysics meant for the guidance of human beings of this Dark Age is largely ignored. However, the study of Vedas would reveal that Vedic gurus (Gu- darkness and Ru- to dispel) are the dispellers of both inner and outer darkness. They are more like Socrates, Mencius, St Augustine, Immanuel Kant, Sankrachrya, Guru Nanak and swami Daya Nanda and do not bear any resemblance to the modern godmen, gurus, babas, tantriks and swamis.
 
A perusal and study of “Glimpses of Vedic Metaphysics” on the Internet can give more details on the subject. The seekers of Vedic knowledge can access this book through website http://www.sabhlokcity.com/metaphysics/ OR through google.com/ yahoo.com/ lulu.com. Search for the Book.
With warm regards,
Yours spiritual brother,
Prem Sabhlok
 
 
Vedas contain many other subjects like:
1. Vedas explain scientifically divine, spiritual and material knowledge.
2. Material economics not based on inert matter
3. Purpose of life and human Birth
4. Why Vedas are referred as Shruti(Heard/directly revealed through human soul)
5. Education system for allocating four divine Varna
6. Science is useful but scientific temper is more important.
7. Universal brotherhood, global family
8. Equality of men and women,
9. All religions to compete for the welfare of mankind- they could vary due to local conditions for environment, culture etc
10 Tri-ani-pada (three bodies in one)
11. Apriori- Knowledge
12. Concept of Moderation
13. Iddam nan mmam (nothing for self all for society)
14. Earth is not a quarry for exploitation
15. No Caste system based on birth
16. Spiritual science against present egoistic commercial spiritualism
17. Rtam, Satyam Dharmmam.
and many other subjects.
 
 
 
 

 


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History texts are history of Delhi ,to churn army of clerks,AND,ignore hundreds of years of dynasties in South and East,by leftists.
Was a surgeon,trained in Lucknow and UK,reignited interest in Vedic prayers taught at home,attending classes by Swami Chinmayananda and his disciples in Delhi...infused by wife's interest in Vedanta.
To praise/acknowledge our ancient heritage is sniggered as SAFFRONITE,as surgeon in Railway hierarchy ...didn't stop me from becoming DG/RHS despite declining elevation 2 years earlier!!!
Admit most advances in Medicine in last 70 years is spinoff of Defence and Space research. No country would spare such funds for " Medical Sciences " e.g.source of malaria drug Quinine,overrun by Japan in WW2.....Chloroquine
Vedanta,Meditation,effects of pronouncing two nasal consonants,
M and N ,and of two Vowels A and U has been proved to enhance
Immunity and Internal Opiods secreted by body........Dare you say
These are /can be uttered together in OM.
Yoga is pure science and Physiotherapy . But in single country of whole world it is opposed as Religion. You got it. India! No Islamic country has done so.
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Dear Prem, I am interested to join your discourse on the Vedas, and thereby learn more of the wonderful spiritual teachings of our religion which regrettably is hard to come by. Please continue to keep me informed. I have some books which I will refer to and attempt to consolidate my learning, fond regards, Hirak.
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Sent: 13 September 2018 07:31
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arrest widespread of Pious Forgeries by reviving VedasTruthfully- Relevance of Vedas to the Present Age
Gladly. My father, a Bihar ICS originally from Sylhet in Bangladesh, was not only a distinguished Sanskrit student of Govt. College, Lahore, but a polyglot who learnt several European languages as well as Pali. While in Bihar as a magistrate he excavated Buddhist sites in Rajgriha on the basis of Xuan Xang's and Cunningham's accounts - sources that were more than 1200 years apart. He noted how Buddhist thought and literature from the famed universities of Nalanda, Vikramashila, Taxila and Odantapuri had been obliterated from Indian history, their legacy found now only in Tibetan, Chinese and late Pali of Sri Lanka. HMG's government denied him permission to learn Tibetan so he focused on mainly the early Pali sources.
From being a Brahma Samaji (his father was outcaste from the Brahminical fold when he went to study with non-Brahmins in Presidency College, Calcutta) he became a crypto-Buddhist, like the great Shankara who absorbed Prasangika Madhyamika ideas into his own thinking while at the same time preserving the old system of caste hierarchy and varnashram dharma.
My maternal great grandfather Navin Chandra Rai was the foremost Sanskrit educator of the 19th Century. See his Varnalipi, long used as a Sanskrit textbook in UP and the Punjab.
Due to my forbears' modern outlook, our family suffered by losing all land assets in our native Bengal at the hands of unscrupulous Brahminical priests. The same ones who quote Vedas which attribute origin of OBCs and dalits (the majority population) to the unclean nether parts of Vedic godhead. And who annointed any foreign invader be they Saka, Huna, Gurjara, Yueh Chi, Bactrians, Scythians or Greeks, Kshatriya status to rule over society and compensate in return the Brahmins with courtly posts and sacred functions. Freedom from caste restrictions opened up many new intellectual activities and professions to my family as my elders were able to travel abroad and live anywhere to study and work, in science, medicine and law.
I am an editor and student of English literature who sadly refused to study Sanskrit from the fat, pan chewing Banarasi Brahmins my father hired as teachers. In my 70th year I became a student of the extensive Buddhist literature on Logic, epistemology, debate, metaphysics and phenomenology extant in Tibetan and reintroduced to Indian students in the Nalanda Masters Course by Tibetan masters from monastic colleges relocated in India after 1959.
We study all Indian Darshans briefly and the 4-6 main Buddhist schools intensively, from Vaibhasika and Cittamatra including the Yogacara school Xuan Xang came all the way from the Chinese capital in Xian to study in Kashmir, Bihar and Tamilnadu, then Buddhist kingdoms, and we study the so called highest school of Prasangika Madhyamika of Acharya Nagarjuna, Chandrakirti, Shantideva and other great (Brahmin!) Nalanda pandits. High and low in this context implies extent of reliance by any school of thought on logical analysis of assertions on any subject and critical reasoning.
Hence my interest in authentic sources in any religious tradition quoted by anybody in defense of their own traditions, including those Vedic sources your esteemed assertions are based on. Debate and friendly discussion were once the hallmark of a true scholar in Bharatvarsha.
Joya Roy
Dear Madame Ms Joya Roy,
I am no Vedic Scholar nor a Socialist Activist nor Sociologist. There is some mistake about it. In fact, I have been trying to unsubscribe unsuccessfully from this INDIARESIST.
Some times I pass on to learned Vedic, Brig Raj B Sharma and Rear Admiral JJ Baxi, who are both active on FACEBOOK. You may like to join their Trail.
Who would you describe yourself, please.
Regards,
Prem Batra
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Dear Prem ji, please give the link to your Vedic online site. One always needs chapter and verse numbers.
By the way, I am Joya Roy, using Gmail ID of my late husband, sociologist Prodipto Roy (Ph. D., Penn.)
Dear Sh. Prodipto Roy,
Thanks for your email
I have no where mentioned Athrava Veda gave the exact time. I have mentioned "When soul was provided to human beings" The two statements are vastly different.
There are a lot of Pious forgeries going on to prove what fake gurus/swamis say is correct and Vedas are false.
I have quoted Veda mantra/rik/hymns number in my e-book Glimpses of Vedic Metaphysics.
Regards
Prem Sabhlok
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Subject: Re: Arrest widespread of Pious Forgeries by reviving Vedas Truthfully- Relevance of Vedas to the Present Age
Sablok ji: Whenever you quote any Vedic book, kindly give the reference to the exact mandal, verse and line of the text. For example, you wrote that Atharva Veda gave the exact time when humans were given souls. I am interested in this from a comparative perspective and need to know in which chapter, verse and line this occurs. Then we can check online versions of different Vedic books.
And what did that reference to pious forgeries mean? Whose forgeries, for what purpose? And what is the connection with the arrests of poets, writers and lawyers working for the voiceless downtrodden whom the state in collusion with big multinational companies are dispossessing ?
Thank you, Joya Roy
Rig Veda mentions that the greatest service to God is to spread the spirit of Vedas with honesty, straight-forwardness, without deceit of any kind, for all to enjoy true and spiritual happiness. By understanding the philosophy, metaphysics, knowledge and various models contained in the Vedas, we can perhaps find viable solutions to our present social, economic, political and religious problems.
Vedic metaphysics can save the mankind from all kinds of social, economic and other depressions. Strengthen Sanatan Dharma (the eternal religion) through revival of Vedas.
The followers of Vedic metaphysics can become paramjot- the carriers of Vedic divine light (knowledge)
Dear Spiritual Brothers and Sisters,
Subject: Vedas and their relevance to the present age.
Owing to utility of Vedic metaphysics to the mankind, UNESCO has accorded Heritage status to Vedas. These scriptures of yore explain comprehensively many divine, spiritual and material subjects and guidelines given there in can help in Universal Brotherhood (Viswa Bandhutva) and development of scientific temper.
Adi Grantha says, “Asankh grantha mukhi Ved path”- there are innumerable scriptures but study of Vedas is supreme. It also says, “OMKAR Ved Nirmayi”- Vedas were revealed by God- hence Vedas are Shruti.
Atharva Veda makes it clear when soul was provided to human beings, Vedic knowledge was revealed as human soul contains all the Vedic knowledge. Vedic metaphysicists (Rsis) and wise wandering sages (Munnies) through meditation communicated with their souls which are vachispatiah (i.e. human soul- Atma has a sound and can communicate with us) and acquired Vedic knowledge. Rig Veda tells us that soul was provided to human beings so that the purpose of human birth could be known to human beings.
Rig Veda further mentions the purpose of human birth is to assist the Vishwakarma (Supreme Reality/Architect) to assist Him in the maintenance of His Grand wondrous Design by following Rta- Cosmic laws of social, moral and physical order. Having created these laws (Rta) even God follows them sternly lest great harm is done to His Creation.
Some of these Rta are “as you sow so shall you reap”, follow path of moderation, “Iddm nan mam”- nothing for self all for society (enlightened liberalism) and many others.
When human beings followed Vedic teachings and guidelines Vedic Sanatan Dharma (eternal religion) was spread beyond Caucasus, Prasava (Persia), Ariana (Iran), Indian sub continent, South Esat Asia JAVA, Samatra, Tashik Khand (Tashkand) etc.
Many Greeks, Parthians, Kushans and many others merged with this divine Dharma without any kind of conversion. Rig Veda mentions “Rtam, Satyam, Dharmmam” as Vedic Dharma. Rta-Cosmic Laws of social, moral and physical order are eternal truths (Satyam) and following these Laws (Rta) is Vedic Dharma.
Under the vehement effect of dreaded materialism of Charvakaas the followers of Sanatan Dharma started deviating from Vedic Metaphysics (Upanishadic part of Vedas), Buddhism overtook Sanatan Dharma and history tells us that Adi Sankracharya revived Vedas and Buddhism virtually vanished from India . The message of later Rsis/Swamis/Maharisis is very clear “Revive Veda and save the mankind from self destruction”.
Vedas for modern age
Our social interaction is limited to friends, relations etc but not to community so our houses are spotlessly clean and surroundings dirty as community welfare is never our Motto- Vedas take us to community welfare and “WE” Feeling.
2. In social service the concept of Success is difficult to define- so it is better to be a man of value than of success.
3. Research in social sciences and medical sciences has found that helping others not for recognition is good for heart. It is great way to exercise your heart and soul.
4. Vedas specifically guide us to TEACH (transparency, ethics, accountability, community and humanity welfare) principle. Most of the modern systems have failed in this regard.
5. Unless self rule at the grass root level is there in Democracy, the rulers tend to become autocratic, corrupt, hypocrite and tyrannical (Plato). There is no visible movement for swaraj- self rule in India.
Ishta theory of Vedas describes paths could be different so long as these paths aim at the welfare of mankind and other animate and inanimate life. Vedas do not consider matter as inert and explain in a large number of hymns that matter has unsuspected vitality. All religions should aim at unity in diversity i.e. (should lead to universal brotherhood-viswa bandhutva), global family of the same One God (vasudhaivan kutumbkam), global trade and global market for the material and spiritual welfare of mankind. God being formless, ineffable and self-created, avoid explaining God through categories, substance, activity, quality and relationship. HE is beyond cognition, perception of human senses, logic of mind and intellect. Words recoil to explain the Supreme Reality. Only true and harmonised material, spiritual and divine knowledge (para jnan) can unite all religions to compete with each other for the welfare of mankind.
For the theists with material and intellectual knowledge, multiplicity of gods is seen in the form of idols, icons and incarnation of God as a human being. Some such individuals even find God/god as partly a man and partly a woman (Ardhanari Iswaran). Any individual who starts moving towards para jnan (higher knowledge), all arguments start and end at One formless and ineffable God who is Sat, Chit, Anand - the only reality, supreme consciousness, and bliss.
What is admirable in the Vedas is that their powerful and comprehensive philosophy was created for all ages and for the entire mankind. This philosophy was made available at a time when most parts of the world had hallucinations of ghosts getting out of dead bodies, when shadow was interpreted as the soul, spirit, ghosts, and the soul was considered to be getting out of the body at night during dreams. It was the period when the concept of inner and outer world was highly confused. Out of fear complex the ancient man worshipped snakes, animals, plants, and clouds by creating millions of gods with form. When in most parts of the world the religion of animism was wide spread, the Vedic metaphysics was getting developed in the areas which now lie in the states of Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia, Pakistan and some Northern parts of India. Arya Vrata was the land spreading up to Parshavas ( Persia ), Ariana (later Iran ) and this land was not a fairy tale country, since the Vedas nowhere describe mythology as part of metaphysics.
The Dark Age or Kali yuga has the predominance of avarnas and vritras. In this Age owing to spread of only material and intellectual knowledge bereft of divine and spiritual knowledge, the predominant features are superstitions, unscientific outlook, blind faith, hypocrisy, naked selfishness and wide spread corruption. Fake gurus and god-men who get hallucination that they are the incarnation of various gods on this earth, multiply. Thus Vedic metaphysics meant for the guidance of human beings of this Dark Age is largely ignored. However, the study of Vedas would reveal that Vedic gurus (Gu- darkness and Ru- to dispel) are the dispellers of both inner and outer darkness. They are more like Socrates, Mencius, St Augustine, Immanuel Kant, Sankrachrya, Guru Nanak and swami Daya Nanda and do not bear any resemblance to the modern godmen, gurus, babas, tantriks and swamis.
A perusal and study of “Glimpses of Vedic Metaphysics” on the Internet can give more details on the subject. The seekers of Vedic knowledge can access this book through website http://www.sabhlokcity.com/metaphysics/ OR through google.com/ yahoo.com/ lulu.com. Search for the Book.
With warm regards,
Yours spiritual brother,
Prem Sabhlok
1. Vedas explain scientifically divine, spiritual and material knowledge.
2. Material economics not based on inert matter
3. Purpose of life and human Birth
4. Why Vedas are referred as Shruti(Heard/directly revealed through human soul)
5. Education system for allocating four divine Varna
6. Science is useful but scientific temper is more important.
7. Universal brotherhood, global family
8. Equality of men and women,
9. All religions to compete for the welfare of mankind- they could vary due to local conditions for environment, culture etc
10 Tri-ani-pada (three bodies in one)
11. Apriori- Knowledge
12. Concept of Moderation
13. Iddam nan mmam (nothing for self all for society)
14. Earth is not a quarry for exploitation
15. No Caste system based on birth
16. Spiritual science against present egoistic commercial spiritualism
17. Rtam, Satyam Dharmmam.
and many other subjects.
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